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Phillip Lane article edit

You removed a substantive edit on an article on a key figure in European central bank politics with solid data and a good argument because it was a pseudonymous publication. Thanks for promoting critical scrutinty, buddy. Clown show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.72.234 (talk) 23:41, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Them's the rules. Feel free to acquaint yourself on WP:BLP. --bender235 (talk) 00:05, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Vernon Jarrett

Hello,

Your comment was reverted by mistake. I did not realize that I had inadvertently clicked the wrong area of the screen after I reviewed the comment that you've left on the Vernon Jarrett talk page. Sending my apologies for that error. →Lwalt ^♦ talk 00:32, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I figured it must've been by mistake. --bender235 (talk) 02:18, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Malcolm Jones (American football) for deletion

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Proposed deletion of Marcus Houston

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Notability is lacking, played 7 games of college football in 2004 for the Colorado State Rams. Never played in the NFL. Fails WP:GNG.

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I need a Person to Write an Article

I need a person to write an article about a public servant. What is the process? How do I get in touch with you! Iamthedarknigh (talk) 07:23, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Creating an article is fairly simple. Have a look at WP:1ST for instructions and details. --bender235 (talk) 15:42, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Draft:Excel High School (Alabama) (2)

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Proposed deletion of Siphelo Ngquboza

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Gutenberg–Richter law

Your sarcastic edit summary does not make you right. Invoking WP:OWN is always the last refuge of those that do not have a case. Nor does it make me wrong. The "comical inconsistency" was not introduced by me. Rather it was your edit that introduced it, or at least made it worse, by templating only two of the existing 17 references. SpinningSpark 07:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

The citation style of the article is inconsistent and incomplete as of your latest revert. Some article titles are in quotation marks, others aren't. For some references publication year is written after author name, for others after journal volume. For some references the year is in parentheses, for others it isn't. I could go on. But I'm not blaming you for that, since it's most likely the consequence of different authors adding "their" citations over the years. What upset me was the implied duty on my part to first having any fixes to the citation style "discussed" somewhere, as if Wikipedia needed more bureaucracy for petty issues like this. --bender235 (talk) 14:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

The need for a discussion is explained at WP:CITEVAR. That's mot new bureaucracy, it's established long-standing bureaucracy. I'm not against making the style consistent, but the one thing that editors contributing to this page have been entirely 100% consistent in is not using templates. I see no good reason for not respecting that. SpinningSpark 15:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

"Not using templates" is not a citation style, let alone a consistent one. That's like considering "not using a typewriter" a literary genre. --bender235 (talk) 19:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I beg to differ with that. And you are now contradicting yourself. If templates are not part of citation style, then inserting them certainly cannot be justified with the rationale of making styles consistent. Besides, preserving styles is a globally recognised principle per WP:STYLEVAR, not just limited to citations. There is no specific guidance on using typewriters, and I couldn't care less whether you do or not, but there is guidance on citation templates in WP:CITECONSENSUS The use of citation templates is neither encouraged nor discouraged: an article should not be switched between templated and non-templated citations without good reason and consensus (my emphasis). CITEVAR also explicitly covers this point; showing that the guidelines recognise templates as part of the style even if you don't. SpinningSpark 16:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I know this policy, and it has been dumb from the moment it was created. It was meant to reduce unnecessary bickering over nuances in citation styles, but it led to stubborn, backward-minded users monkeywrenching the process of converging to a uniform citation style throughout Wikipedia. I mean, think about what is supposed to happen now if we followed WP policy by the letter: I'm supposed to open a thread on the article talk page to ask whether there's consensus to adopt citation templates, and you would object. And it would be only you, because the article had like 4 different contributors over the last half-decade total, most of whom aren't going to bother to respond for months. Bottom line: everything stays as is.

Now to the other point: what I wrote was "no templates" is not a consistent citation style. You can certainly have a consistent citation style without using templates (the article decidedly does not), if you consistently follow some citation manual. But just the fact of "no templates were being used" does not make a citation style consistent.

The reason we have those templates on Wikipedia is to simplify the process of having truly consistent citation styles, both within an article and across different articles. Once you have templates adopted widely, you can change the citation style (if needed) with little effort if needed. And finally, and in my opinion most importantly: these templates create a hidden Dublin Core object (search for "Z3988" in the HTML code any article that uses citation templates) that makes the citations machine readable.

To me, these benefits outweigh the "costs" of templates (are there any, really?). But you, for any reason or no reason at all, will disagree. --bender235 (talk) 17:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I stopped reading after you said the policy "has been dumb from the moment it was created". If this discussion is not going to be based on policy, then I'm withdrawing from it. Editing articles should be in accordance with policy. If you don't like the policy, take it to a policy discussion page, not fight it out in articles. SpinningSpark 14:31, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

You're free to reserve the right to be offended on behalf of a policy. I'm sorry your feelings were hurt. --bender235 (talk) 14:34, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Lucious Jackson

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Happy New Year, Bender235!

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